Friday, October 31

Thomas Greenwood (1750-1810)

Whilst Joseph was treading the boards in and around London and the provinces, Thomas Greenwood, also my four times grandfather, was, amongst other things, managing the family pub, known as the Bull and Gate, in Kentish Town. This pub is still standing, and has been for the last thirty years or so a popular watering hole offering live music. I believe Coldplay performed there once. We were fortunate enough to visit it with my cousin Dan, who also shares Thomas as an ancestor, in 2011.

Interestingly enough, Joseph Munden also had an association in Kentish Town, having lived there for a time, and was connected with the pub, probably through the fact that his first born daughter, Esther (1784-1875) ended up marrying Thomas junior (1779-1842).

The Survey of London Volume 19 describes the various buildings in the Kentish Town area in the 1800s, and this paragraph is taken from it:

"Thomas Greenwood, who died in 1810, owned the Bull and Gate and adjoining property. (ref. 138) He appears to have granted building leases from 1786 onwards. His wife Elizabeth took the property under his will. When it passed to his son Thomas Greenwood of Russell Square, esquire, in 1824, the Bull and Gate was tenanted by David Beynon. (ref. 139) The whole estate was then described as formerly the freehold inheritance of Samuel Shore and Francis Edmunds, afterwards of Mr. William Truman and since of John Craven, the trustee being Joseph Shepherd Munden. (ref. 140) In 1786 James Haygarth of St. Pancras and William Timmins of Bethnal Green, brickmakers, were building five houses in Craven Row, of which the northernmost was leased to Mary Emmotte of Charlotte Street, Rathbone Place, mantua maker, in 1789, and assigned by her executor in 1798 to Joseph Shepherd Munden of Kentish Town, comedian, (ref. 141) who afterwards appears as the occupant of a house on the site of the Convent now standing on the other side of the road (see p. 35)."

The Bull and Gate
Dan and myself 2011

3 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Donna,

We live in Cathcart Hill which is very close to Highgate Road and the land and properties that your Greenwood ancestors owned. Circa 1888-94 our house was a private boarding school for girls. I am researching the history of the school. Recently I have established that the school had a far more ancient lineage, possibly dating back to 1755 but certainly 1786. I can certainly trace its origins back to what is now 7 Highgate Road but which was formerly known as Craven House, 4 Upper Craven Place.

In your blog you quote from The Survey of London Vol.19 and must be aware of the James Frederick King street panorama reproduced in that volume which depicts the Bull & Gate pub and Craven Place. This tells us that 4 Upper Craven Place was built as a girls' school. Thus if it was built as part of the Craven Place development then the school was certainly up and running c. 1786. Currently , the earliest schoolmistress I am aware of is Miss Sussana Griffin (b.1777, principal Craven House 1805 -1830).

I'm not sure that I'm fully understanding the text in the Survey of London. Did John Craven precede Thomas Greenwood and is it possible that the row of houses took its name from John Craven?

Contact: paul.klein@blueyonder.co.uk

All the best from a fellow Craven Place researcher.

Paul Klein

Anonymous said...

Hi Donna,

Ancestry now has the pre- 1858 Wills on their site. I have just spotted the Will of John Craven (proved 16 Mar 1785). A bequeath of land in Kentish Town to Thomas Greenwood is mentioned so would prob. be of interest to you.

Paul Klein

donnagoodacre said...

Cheers Paul. That is all new to me - I shall investigate:)